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		<title>By: The Coaster Philosopher</title>
		<link>http://www.rollercoasterphilosophy.com/2009/kings-island/comment-page-2/#comment-255</link>
		<dc:creator>The Coaster Philosopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 20:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think that means closed for good, from what I&#039;ve heard the park is looking for more permanent solutions for the ride which will take a while to implement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that means closed for good, from what I&#8217;ve heard the park is looking for more permanent solutions for the ride which will take a while to implement.</p>
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		<title>By: Koibones</title>
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		<dc:creator>Koibones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 May 2010 00:58:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Son Of Beast is officially closed... they took it off the 2010 park map :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Son Of Beast is officially closed&#8230; they took it off the 2010 park map <img src='http://www.rollercoasterphilosophy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: The Coaster Philosopher</title>
		<link>http://www.rollercoasterphilosophy.com/2009/kings-island/comment-page-1/#comment-149</link>
		<dc:creator>The Coaster Philosopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Feb 2010 01:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So then... you do agree with my comment on Son of Beast? I think my comments are about the highest praise the ride will ever get for the rest of its lifespan.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So then&#8230; you do agree with my comment on Son of Beast? I think my comments are about the highest praise the ride will ever get for the rest of its lifespan.</p>
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		<title>By: jordan</title>
		<link>http://www.rollercoasterphilosophy.com/2009/kings-island/comment-page-1/#comment-148</link>
		<dc:creator>jordan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Feb 2010 13:58:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i agree with everything but the comment on son of beast. i think sob doesnt get as much praise as it deserves</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i agree with everything but the comment on son of beast. i think sob doesnt get as much praise as it deserves</p>
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		<title>By: The Coaster Philosopher</title>
		<link>http://www.rollercoasterphilosophy.com/2009/kings-island/comment-page-1/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>The Coaster Philosopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Dec 2009 05:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Brian, about the names, I remember an interview with one of Kings Island&#039;s reps about how they wanted to come up with better names for some of the rebranded rides but a lot of what they looked at were already trademarked. So in that case it&#039;s not simply a complete deficiency of creativity but rather a general cheapness to minimize all transitional costs, as they didn&#039;t want to invest any money whatsoever to giving it a theme that would require a trademark (&quot;Diamondback&quot; obviously has been used by other companies). Even if trademarking is a legitimate excuse, there are two options around that: a name so generic no one should have a right to trademark it, or to think of names that are not-so-obvious labels of what the ride does and are completely original. They chose the former, rather than stretch their minds and problem solve a unique solution.

However, I think it&#039;s an easy mistake to view these and other grievances about the park&#039;s operations as being deliberate negligence that holds the managers and planners as being directly at fault. Most of the criticisms we&#039;ve had I think just come from ignorance, perhaps from a lack of effective means of implementing more creative visions in the corporate hierarchy (one thing you&#039;ll note about CF&#039;s managers is they are all operational/financial titles, they don&#039;t have any teams specifically targeted to any of these issues, and on the rare occasions that they do need a creative solution they just contract a third party whose work is limited only to the immediate capital expenditure). In other words, they just simply don&#039;t know how to do any better than they currently are. That&#039;s normally what we can expect from any profit maximizing firm (except in cases such as TLC to Racer where it might be viewed more as an unnecessary expense given their current goals) so most of these problems come more from organizational problems rather than from negligence by particular individuals, who I am sure are all hard working and committed to making they best park experience they personally know how. That said, some of these problems needn&#039;t require organizational change-ups (i.e. it&#039;s not hard to send out a memo reminding people that not every new coaster has to be painted the same shade of red).

I didn&#039;t get to do The Crypt until the end of October... my thoughts on it are that it sucks, but you certainly didn&#039;t need me around to tell you that. Everyone on the gondola booed when the ride was over, and the operators knew this would be the response and at least were able to get some comic value out of it. While I did enjoy it quite a bit back when it had recently opened, I&#039;d never sacrifice Firehawk and Diamondback to have it back to it&#039;s original grandeur. Well, &lt;em&gt;maybe&lt;/em&gt; Firehawk, if only because high-quality flat rides that are actually able to incorporate some sort of story and progression in their cycle is virtually unheard of outside the old Tomb Raider example, but otherwise I wouldn&#039;t be do disheartened to see the present-day Crypt removed from the park altogether. It&#039;s not doing anyone any good in it&#039;s current state, the giant box now highly visible from more locations in the park with the addition of Diamondback and removal of most of the nearby landscaping that had previously kept it better hidden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, about the names, I remember an interview with one of Kings Island&#8217;s reps about how they wanted to come up with better names for some of the rebranded rides but a lot of what they looked at were already trademarked. So in that case it&#8217;s not simply a complete deficiency of creativity but rather a general cheapness to minimize all transitional costs, as they didn&#8217;t want to invest any money whatsoever to giving it a theme that would require a trademark (&#8220;Diamondback&#8221; obviously has been used by other companies). Even if trademarking is a legitimate excuse, there are two options around that: a name so generic no one should have a right to trademark it, or to think of names that are not-so-obvious labels of what the ride does and are completely original. They chose the former, rather than stretch their minds and problem solve a unique solution.</p>
<p>However, I think it&#8217;s an easy mistake to view these and other grievances about the park&#8217;s operations as being deliberate negligence that holds the managers and planners as being directly at fault. Most of the criticisms we&#8217;ve had I think just come from ignorance, perhaps from a lack of effective means of implementing more creative visions in the corporate hierarchy (one thing you&#8217;ll note about CF&#8217;s managers is they are all operational/financial titles, they don&#8217;t have any teams specifically targeted to any of these issues, and on the rare occasions that they do need a creative solution they just contract a third party whose work is limited only to the immediate capital expenditure). In other words, they just simply don&#8217;t know how to do any better than they currently are. That&#8217;s normally what we can expect from any profit maximizing firm (except in cases such as TLC to Racer where it might be viewed more as an unnecessary expense given their current goals) so most of these problems come more from organizational problems rather than from negligence by particular individuals, who I am sure are all hard working and committed to making they best park experience they personally know how. That said, some of these problems needn&#8217;t require organizational change-ups (i.e. it&#8217;s not hard to send out a memo reminding people that not every new coaster has to be painted the same shade of red).</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t get to do The Crypt until the end of October&#8230; my thoughts on it are that it sucks, but you certainly didn&#8217;t need me around to tell you that. Everyone on the gondola booed when the ride was over, and the operators knew this would be the response and at least were able to get some comic value out of it. While I did enjoy it quite a bit back when it had recently opened, I&#8217;d never sacrifice Firehawk and Diamondback to have it back to it&#8217;s original grandeur. Well, <em>maybe</em> Firehawk, if only because high-quality flat rides that are actually able to incorporate some sort of story and progression in their cycle is virtually unheard of outside the old Tomb Raider example, but otherwise I wouldn&#8217;t be do disheartened to see the present-day Crypt removed from the park altogether. It&#8217;s not doing anyone any good in it&#8217;s current state, the giant box now highly visible from more locations in the park with the addition of Diamondback and removal of most of the nearby landscaping that had previously kept it better hidden.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Dec 2009 19:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I absolutely agree with all you’ve said. “Flight Deck” will forever be “Top Gun” unless Cedar Fair provides it with a new, separate identity that revitalizes it. I find it all too hard to believe that a group of folks sat down at a table together and “Flight Deck” is the best they could come up with. I simply don’t believe it. Cedar Fair is known for duplicating ride names (the chain is up to five -hawks at this point, two Dominators, two Intimidators, two Crypts, four Flight Decks, etc), so why not at least chose some of the more memorable? Top Gun could just as easily have been named “Silver Bullet.” Even having a visitor-submitted naming contest would bring about dozens of perfectly reasonable names for any of the rides that were rebranded with generic titles. (Drop Tower? Really?)


I agree with their commercialization of the park – how it appears like a midway. I am ashamed at what has happened to Rivertown. Diamondback is a great ride, yes, but what has it cost? Rivertown, the once isolated, dark, forested town is now an open midway with a small, concrete lake in the center. Perhaps if there were twenty or so trees planted around the new splashdown I could understand, but we’re talking two or three dogwoods. In twenty years, those trees will be about ten feet tall, and that area of the park will be devoid of its forested feel.


To me, there was never any question which Paramount Park I preferred – Kings Island by a mile. We had easily the most well-themed attraction at any seasonal amusement park in America housed inside that cavern in Rivertown. Did it necessary fit the theme? No. But upon riding it, there was absolutely no denying that it belonged in that park. Paramount’s Kings Island was easily the most well-themed seasonal park I’ve ever been to, and ranks up there with many year-round operational parks. It was a joy and a blessing to have it in Ohio. Talk about a fall from grace – Ohioans were lucky enough to have the flagship Cedar Fair park, the flagship Paramount park, the world’s largest Six Flags, and one of the four SeaWorld parks. What a state to live in, easily the best park-wise after California and Florida. Today, all four are owned by Cedar Fair, one closed, one made into a waterpark, one devoid of its original theme and charm, and (you guessed it) their original flagship park flourishing! What a surprise.


In the future, I’m not sure what I expect of Kings Island. It’s “Action Zone” is currently home to an Arrow suspended coaster that has not been painted to the extent that it appears gray (it was red, never painted gray) and a Vekoma Invertigo. What action. Meanwhile, three rides built within the last decade are on the chopping block (or already gone) due to a simple lack of care (Son of Beast, The Crypt, Scooby Doo and the Haunted Castle). Those rides (as well as the paint on Flight Deck, the lighting on Adventure Express, and the track on The Racer) are litterally BEGGING for ANY sort of TLC that Cedar Fair will grant them, and instead, we’ll enter the park next year to find three attractions (that are, in relation to other attractions, brand new) either closed or on their last leg, a rethemed children’s area, and likely about two-hundred new trashcans.


It’s really a shame that it’s all come to this. I would sacrifice Diamondback and Firehawk to have Tomb Raider: The Ride back to its original grandeur. I can only hope that when Cedar Fair inevitably files for bankruptcy and starts selling parks left and right, they don’t grab onto Kings Island with a stranglehold. They see the potential in the park (aka, what the park used to be) and chose not to act on it – they have no business holding onto a park when they consider “Flight Deck”, “Drop Tower”, and “Backlot Coaster” as acceptable. Truly, it appears to both myself and the public that the removal of that “Paramount’s” prefix was symbolic of everything within the park becoming generic.


Note to Cedar Fair: When you own AMUSEMENT parks, don’t buy THEME parks unless you genuinely intend to keep them as such. When it comes to the Paramount Parks, you can’t just slap on a generic version of its original name and sleep easy at night.


Note to The Coaster Philosopher: I know quite a few people who would LOVE to hear your thoughts on Tomb Raider: The Ride and its conversion to The Crypt… Myself included.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I absolutely agree with all you’ve said. “Flight Deck” will forever be “Top Gun” unless Cedar Fair provides it with a new, separate identity that revitalizes it. I find it all too hard to believe that a group of folks sat down at a table together and “Flight Deck” is the best they could come up with. I simply don’t believe it. Cedar Fair is known for duplicating ride names (the chain is up to five -hawks at this point, two Dominators, two Intimidators, two Crypts, four Flight Decks, etc), so why not at least chose some of the more memorable? Top Gun could just as easily have been named “Silver Bullet.” Even having a visitor-submitted naming contest would bring about dozens of perfectly reasonable names for any of the rides that were rebranded with generic titles. (Drop Tower? Really?)</p>
<p>I agree with their commercialization of the park – how it appears like a midway. I am ashamed at what has happened to Rivertown. Diamondback is a great ride, yes, but what has it cost? Rivertown, the once isolated, dark, forested town is now an open midway with a small, concrete lake in the center. Perhaps if there were twenty or so trees planted around the new splashdown I could understand, but we’re talking two or three dogwoods. In twenty years, those trees will be about ten feet tall, and that area of the park will be devoid of its forested feel.</p>
<p>To me, there was never any question which Paramount Park I preferred – Kings Island by a mile. We had easily the most well-themed attraction at any seasonal amusement park in America housed inside that cavern in Rivertown. Did it necessary fit the theme? No. But upon riding it, there was absolutely no denying that it belonged in that park. Paramount’s Kings Island was easily the most well-themed seasonal park I’ve ever been to, and ranks up there with many year-round operational parks. It was a joy and a blessing to have it in Ohio. Talk about a fall from grace – Ohioans were lucky enough to have the flagship Cedar Fair park, the flagship Paramount park, the world’s largest Six Flags, and one of the four SeaWorld parks. What a state to live in, easily the best park-wise after California and Florida. Today, all four are owned by Cedar Fair, one closed, one made into a waterpark, one devoid of its original theme and charm, and (you guessed it) their original flagship park flourishing! What a surprise.</p>
<p>In the future, I’m not sure what I expect of Kings Island. It’s “Action Zone” is currently home to an Arrow suspended coaster that has not been painted to the extent that it appears gray (it was red, never painted gray) and a Vekoma Invertigo. What action. Meanwhile, three rides built within the last decade are on the chopping block (or already gone) due to a simple lack of care (Son of Beast, The Crypt, Scooby Doo and the Haunted Castle). Those rides (as well as the paint on Flight Deck, the lighting on Adventure Express, and the track on The Racer) are litterally BEGGING for ANY sort of TLC that Cedar Fair will grant them, and instead, we’ll enter the park next year to find three attractions (that are, in relation to other attractions, brand new) either closed or on their last leg, a rethemed children’s area, and likely about two-hundred new trashcans.</p>
<p>It’s really a shame that it’s all come to this. I would sacrifice Diamondback and Firehawk to have Tomb Raider: The Ride back to its original grandeur. I can only hope that when Cedar Fair inevitably files for bankruptcy and starts selling parks left and right, they don’t grab onto Kings Island with a stranglehold. They see the potential in the park (aka, what the park used to be) and chose not to act on it – they have no business holding onto a park when they consider “Flight Deck”, “Drop Tower”, and “Backlot Coaster” as acceptable. Truly, it appears to both myself and the public that the removal of that “Paramount’s” prefix was symbolic of everything within the park becoming generic.</p>
<p>Note to Cedar Fair: When you own AMUSEMENT parks, don’t buy THEME parks unless you genuinely intend to keep them as such. When it comes to the Paramount Parks, you can’t just slap on a generic version of its original name and sleep easy at night.</p>
<p>Note to The Coaster Philosopher: I know quite a few people who would LOVE to hear your thoughts on Tomb Raider: The Ride and its conversion to The Crypt… Myself included.</p>
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		<title>By: Derrike</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derrike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Dec 2009 00:59:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m so glad to see someone else that actually enjoys riding son of beast like i do, i know from personal experience on many fan sites that there are in fact alot of roller coaster enthusiust that do enjoy son of beast also, but those ones that don&#039;t like it just start jabbing at you for liking it, but if you even mention anything about not liking one of their favorite rides they act as if it&#039;s the end of the world</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m so glad to see someone else that actually enjoys riding son of beast like i do, i know from personal experience on many fan sites that there are in fact alot of roller coaster enthusiust that do enjoy son of beast also, but those ones that don&#8217;t like it just start jabbing at you for liking it, but if you even mention anything about not liking one of their favorite rides they act as if it&#8217;s the end of the world</p>
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		<title>By: Todd</title>
		<link>http://www.rollercoasterphilosophy.com/2009/kings-island/comment-page-1/#comment-37</link>
		<dc:creator>Todd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Dec 2009 03:22:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like the site so far. The Beast article really draws an excellent picture of what the ride is and used to be.  Thanks for posting about it!  It&#039;s also refreshing to see I&#039;m not the only fan who feels amusement parks have become to corporate and lacking of true distinct character.  Keep up the good work.  Let me know sometime when you&#039;re going to do a park or ride review I&#039;d love to tag along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like the site so far. The Beast article really draws an excellent picture of what the ride is and used to be.  Thanks for posting about it!  It&#8217;s also refreshing to see I&#8217;m not the only fan who feels amusement parks have become to corporate and lacking of true distinct character.  Keep up the good work.  Let me know sometime when you&#8217;re going to do a park or ride review I&#8217;d love to tag along.</p>
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		<title>By: Josh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:34:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Love the review. It totally sums up KI. These kinds of great reviews make me want to come back to the site. Keep up the good work!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Love the review. It totally sums up KI. These kinds of great reviews make me want to come back to the site. Keep up the good work!!</p>
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		<title>By: The Coaster Philosopher</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Coaster Philosopher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Dec 2009 22:19:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair enough, let&#039;s make a deal. You can chill twice as much with your brain so that way it will even things out between the two of us. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair enough, let&#8217;s make a deal. You can chill twice as much with your brain so that way it will even things out between the two of us. <img src='http://www.rollercoasterphilosophy.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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